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11-10-2007, 7:31 PM russm Joined on 08-08-2007 Posts 25 Chem-Gold Does anyone know anything about this small leaching plant?????? http://www.angusmackirk.com/product_pages/crush__leach.html Thank you Russ    Report

11-10-2007, 8:38 PM twig/al Joined on 01-24-2006 Gadsden, Alabama Posts 4,627 Re: Chem-Gold russm, It looks good, I have never used one or saw one work... It seems to be a little overpriced, as I have saw about the same thing at lower prices... twig/al Alabama Prospecting Supply www.alabamaprospectingsupply.com Email: tom@alabamaprospectingsupply.com Southeast Treasure Hunters Forum www.southeasttreasurehunters.com    Report

11-11-2007, 10:23 AM ClicktheYellowChick Joined on 08-26-2006 Posts 251 Re: Chem-Gold Russm, I've been trying for over 2 MONTHS to lay my peepers on one in Agnus' Factory over here in Boise...nadda to show me. No explanations, just more promises that they will call me when they have one for me to come see.  The silence is deafening... I would report back if I ever could see the thing, but if they ain't makin' 'em, I don't understand why they are advertising them! I will point out one fact, tho'....it is apparently a cyanide based leach system...Cyanide leaching systems are the only ones best known for needing the addition of supplemental air in order to achieve quicker leaching results.  The first photo/close-up is of the aerator pump and its little hose, which is nothing more than an aquarium pump by the looks of it. Caveat:  if miners think buying nitric is not easy, have miners considered the difficulty in acquiring sodium or potassium cyanide for use in this unit? YellowChick    Report

11-16-2007, 5:21 PM russm Joined on 08-08-2007 Posts 25 Re: Chem-Gold Hmmmm...well maybe they are in the final phases of "quality control" before release (yes I am an optimist)..... Thanks for the replies...I will be patient for a while longer.................    Report

11-16-2007, 6:47 PM Herschel Joined on 01-30-2006 Monterey, Louisiana Posts 3,149 Re: Chem-Gold I've got a real cheap Leechin' plant. Got a picture around here somewhere. Oh yeah, here it is. http://forum.goldgrubbin.com/forum/photos/members_other_pictures/picture32393.aspx   Herschel "Chief Instigator" Stop "Poly-Ticks" in Washington!! (definitian) Poly: many Ticks: blood suckin' insects    Report

11-16-2007, 8:11 PM Dixiedredger Joined on 11-18-2006 Charlotte, NC Posts 897 Re: Chem-Gold AARRGGHH you had to put up a pic of them dang old critters. I've been doin' so much, with with so little, for so long.... I can do almost anything, with nothing!!!! WWW.dixieprospector.com    Report

11-16-2007, 8:46 PM twig/al Joined on 01-24-2006 Gadsden, Alabama Posts 4,627 Re: Chem-Gold Herschel, I just got to ask... How many leeches do you use per pound of black sand??? lol.... twig/al Alabama Prospecting Supply www.alabamaprospectingsupply.com Email: tom@alabamaprospectingsupply.com Southeast Treasure Hunters Forum www.southeasttreasurehunters.com    Report

11-16-2007, 9:10 PM Herschel Joined on 01-30-2006 Monterey, Louisiana Posts 3,149 Re: Chem-Gold What's the matter Dixie, don't you like my leechin' plant? I got gold grubbin lizards, 'n snakes. why not leeches for a real good clean up. Why they just suck up all the microscopic gold, I drop em in a little bowl of beer and they git drunk first, then they get sick and puke up all the gold. They are ready to go again once the hangover is gone. Unless they're real big ones Tommy, 'Takes 'bout  a dozen leeches per pound of black sand. I'm gonna git Dixie a picture of my gold grubbin lizard. Aha, here it is, I found it.  http://forum.goldgrubbin.com/forum/photos/members_other_pictures/picture32402.aspx Herschel "Chief Instigator" Stop "Poly-Ticks" in Washington!! (definitian) Poly: many Ticks: blood suckin' insects    Report

11-16-2007, 9:43 PM twig/al Joined on 01-24-2006 Gadsden, Alabama Posts 4,627 Re: Chem-Gold Herschel, If you have to use that many, it would be cheaper to use acid!!! lol.... twig/al Alabama Prospecting Supply www.alabamaprospectingsupply.com Email: tom@alabamaprospectingsupply.com Southeast Treasure Hunters Forum www.southeasttreasurehunters.com    Report

11-17-2007, 7:09 AM Herschel Joined on 01-30-2006 Monterey, Louisiana Posts 3,149 Re: Chem-Gold  Tommy! Now that ain't funny at all. You know that acid would kill my leeches.  Besides that, the leeches don't git ALL of the beer. HICCUP! , BURRRRRP! Herschel "Chief Instigator" Stop "Poly-Ticks" in Washington!! (definitian) Poly: many Ticks: blood suckin' insects    Report

11-17-2007, 8:38 AM platdigger Joined on 10-25-2007 WA State Posts 26 Re: Chem-Gold You know.......guys..............you are not too far from reallity. There are some that are trying to do just what you are talking about. Only with different bugs.......and I am not sure about the beer.......:). So, what do you sapose a drunk leach acts like? btw Herschel.....I really enjoyed your holiday cheer recipie. So did my Mom.......like......to tears........haha. Randy    Report

11-17-2007, 9:17 AM ghost Joined on 03-17-2006 Marksville, LA 71351 Posts 473 Re: Chem-Gold I saw one of those lizards sniffing around my sluice the other day. I was going to hit it with my shovel but I thought of you and just chased it away. I hope you weren't too hard on him for not bringing back his quota of gold. Paul Prospector and small scale miner (so far)    Report

11-17-2007, 2:06 PM Buck Joined on 01-28-2006 Oklahoma Posts 438 Re: Chem-Gold Randy that aint all Herschel has it all started out with Gold grubbin gold fish and developed from there to Craw Fish, Muscles.  and more.  He's got all kinds of critters trained down in them swamps and Bayoues..........  Buck Be sure your right, Then go ahead...Davy Crockett    Report

11-17-2007, 2:09 PM navydoc Joined on 01-25-2006 Jacksonville, N.C. Posts 1,466 Re: Chem-Gold I'm gonna have to get that picture of my Gold-grubbin critter getter posted up here sometime soon....Just gotta find my thumb drive. 'doc One shot....One Kill! 'nough said.    Report

11-17-2007, 4:35 PM Herschel Joined on 01-30-2006 Monterey, Louisiana Posts 3,149 Re: Chem-Gold   Some of Tinpans posts. Talk about a nice specimen. http://www.au-prospecting.com/gold/viewtopic.php?t=1550 Herschel "Chief Instigator" Stop "Poly-Ticks" in Washington!! (definitian) Poly: many Ticks: blood suckin' insects    Report

12-06-2007, 5:35 PM Ghoti Joined on 12-06-2007 Posts 28 Re: Chem-Gold It is not a cyanide based system but does use Nitric acid. I went and bought the book that come with the plant. Figured it a cheap purchase before actually deciding whether to get the plant. (With that said there could be separate instructions for cyanide that come with the plant)    Report

12-06-2007, 7:05 PM twig/al Joined on 01-24-2006 Gadsden, Alabama Posts 4,627 Re: Chem-Gold Ghoti, With all the interest in this system would it be possible to share a little more about it? Thanks... twig/al Alabama Prospecting Supply www.alabamaprospectingsupply.com Email: tom@alabamaprospectingsupply.com Southeast Treasure Hunters Forum www.southeasttreasurehunters.com    Report

12-06-2007, 9:24 PM Ghoti Joined on 12-06-2007 Posts 28 Re: Chem-Gold Here is a summary from the manual. Don't think I can get any more specific without violating some copyright laws. My conclusion is it is far more complicated than I originally thought. “Simple” process Separate magnetic from non magnetic material Pre grind your ore to 100 – 200 mesh Remove the irons and base metals and sulfides Roast your ore 250 -350 degrees for 4 hours to remove sulfides Remove silver lead 3 stage process for extracting and precipitating gold from the ore Leach can be reused 7 -8 times and safely disposed of. Process from start to finish including prepping ore 3 days or more Process can only leach metal less than 100 mesh Still need to smelt the precipitate which requires oxy/acetylene torch and vessels Need to buy test kits to indicate gold ispresent in ore if present repeat leaching process till test says no gold present in ore Materials used are indicated as being readily available, Nitric acid, iodine, salt It’s weird that there is a air pump on it and no mention in the manual for it’s use so it would be reasonable to assume that the plant is set up for cyanide processing as well    Report

12-06-2007, 9:53 PM twig/al Joined on 01-24-2006 Gadsden, Alabama Posts 4,627 Re: Chem-Gold Ghoti, Thanks, that helps some... Are you close to Gadsden, Alabama? I would like to learn more, but we don't want to get into the copyright laws... Again thanks for sharing even that much... twig/al Alabama Prospecting Supply www.alabamaprospectingsupply.com Email: tom@alabamaprospectingsupply.com Southeast Treasure Hunters Forum www.southeasttreasurehunters.com    Report

12-07-2007, 11:05 PM Ghoti Joined on 12-06-2007 Posts 28 Re: Chem-Gold Did finally see a reference to the aerator (bubbler) in the manual. It is there to agitate the leach and ore material which speeds the reaction.    Report

12-15-2007, 6:58 PM russm Joined on 08-08-2007 Posts 25 Re: Chem-Gold Thanks Ghoti for all the info... I really appreciate it So in addition to this plant I would need a tumbler and some steel balls, a method to heat the cons for four hours and how do you get rid of "silver lead?" Not to mention obtain nitric acid...iodine and salt are pretty easy to get unless it is a certain type and then I have to get an acetylene torch and test kits on top of all of that? Obviously you see I am quite ignorant when it comes to this stuff :) However, I do need to learn cuz we are stockpiling a lot of cons that have been screened and run through a blue bowl. I got a 10X pocket magnifier and looked at the cons and, Holy Tiny Batman, I do believe I see gold still attached to those tiny specks :) Thus the need to learn how to unlock those really, really tiny pieces without killing ourselves LOL - hey it all adds up and it gives us something to do in the winter :)    Report

12-15-2007, 11:50 PM ClicktheYellowChick Joined on 08-26-2006 Posts 251 Re: Chem-Gold  Ghoti wrote: Here is a summary from the manual. ...My conclusion is it is far more complicated than I originally thought.  “Simple” process..... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Here is one thing to consider when pondering the attributes of this leaching station.. Working with acids, whether nitric, sulfuric, hydrochloric, etc., you are dealing with off-gassing some nasty fumes. Please re-examine this unit and tell me where the "fume" management dealie is on this Chem-Gold unit?  I've worked with gold and acids (and bases) for many years now, and I have NEVER needed nor required an oxygen adding bubbler in said acid treatment protocols. I could continue, but I don't want to overwhelm anyone with my experience.  It's a great world out there, and everyone is entitled to learn at their own pace, and in their own style.  Experimentation is a style.  The learning curve is both steep and costly going the experimentation station route, but it's a freedom to chose issue we all dearly defend. YellowChickie